huh - did you roll through the stop signs or not???

Answer: OK...you missed the point here.

First, the cop wasn't at the intersection he was travelling toward Soledad and I had ready crossed the intersection and will on the way to Via Princessa. The first sight we saw each other is at the corner of TowHee and Rainbow Glen. This driver IS innocent. The cop is after a different driver and he saw, what he assumes, is the same vehicle and the same driver. Secondly in chasing the real suspect, he was distracted for one second and lost sight of the suspect. So the first vehicle appearing to be the suspect's vehicle he stopped...giving them a ticket. Now read the following update. OK

In wanting so badly to catch the suspect for the numerous running stop sign, the cop has spent many hours trying to catch this suspect. Assuming the suspect had driven to Via Princessa and Rainbow Glen, he drove up to Via Princessa and Rainbow thinking he would catch them at THAT intersection.

He lost sight of that vehicle he was chasing because on Rainbow Glen there are many side streets, and that driver had turned onto one of those streets to hide. And when he saw A SIMILAR vehicle and driver he went after the WRONG vehicle and driver.

not sure why I continue this 'but' huh??? cop is after different vehicle and differenct driver and he thinks thats what he saw...but while chasing that vehicle he stopped you instead beacuse the other vehicle turned into a side street to hide.....hmmmm 'did you roll throught the stop sign'??

I seriously doubt one officer is spending numberous hours trying to catch a supected perpetrator of a 'California Rolling Stop' !!!

Whether not guilty or guilty - you had your day in court, as is your right, and the verdict was not in your favor.
Cowboy up and move on!!

So, it's ok to be found guilty of a crime I am innocent for just because I had a day in court. Buck O' When you fell off y'all horse did it hurt you, or did you just get back on and just ignore the pain?

Hey Jpsval, what part of innocent or not quilty do you misunderstand.

First off, a traffic violation isn't a crime, per se - it's a citable offense only. Let's put your situation in it's proper perspective.
Secondly, you had an opportunity to present opposing evidence to refute your participation in the violation and apparently it was insufficient to do so and based on what the Deputy had as evidence, you were unsuccessful in fighting the citation; therefore...unless you want to take it to the Supreme Court...this event is over.
Have a great day!

Thats one thing our Law Enforcement Team of Santa Clarita actually does is give everyone tickets. GO CITY!!!! MAKE THAT MONEY!!!!!!

Wow! It's apparent that you have no clue what your local law enforcement actually does for you. Instead of inciting animosity and distrust in the community against the Sheriff's Department and it's personnel who put their lives on the line on a daily basis, get educated. Request the LASD Sheriff's Station PIO provide station arrest statistics, SCV crime rate data, talk with a Deputy, visit the station...gee, maybe even go on a ride-along and personally witness what a Deputy does during his/her shift - witness what they deal with. Maybe after some "education" you'll find it more difficult to "trash talk" local law enforcement. Then again, maybe you can't do any of those things...

AverageCivilian we see them almost daily at Rainbow Glen & Gilbert. At Golden Valley Rd just north of Robert C Lee Parkway. At Sierra just passed Golden Valley Road. And many other places just sitting. And yet they fail to find the time to document actual crimes. We have all gotten tickets and fought the ticket only to witness the same juvenile behavior as KindDriver mentioned of Officer Gomez. What police officer do you know who carry's a video camera in the patrol car. Sure officers carry their blood camera to take personal photos of bloody accidents. (Yes, citizens of America if you have a family member who died in an auto accident there is a very good chance that an officer took a few bloody pictures of the corpses to place in his "blood book" to latter laugh at with his buddies over some brews) But who carrys a video camera with them in the patrol car? In the patrol car, my friends carry extra rounds, back up Berretta, first aid kit, food and water in the event of an earthquake or some other event that would prevent them from returning to the station or home for an unexpected time. Again, Gomez and SCV LASD deputies need to grow up. That being said, I have to wonder what else is on Gomez's video camera. Lets see, what do immature male juvenile delinquents looks to video tape with their camera when they think the rules do not apply to them…?

Gomez and his posse behaved in the courtroom in a very immature manner. Think about the OJ trial and how the dream team reacted when they did the impossible. They were professional and humble despite their victory (regardless of who is guilty and who is not guilty). Even after a soccer game or any other competitive event such behavior would not go ignored if it was done by one of the young players.

KindDriver. Gomez was just being the scared officer he is. Want to know what kind of person a traffic cops is then ask a patrol officer. Every honest patrol officer will tell you that traffic cops are NOT the ideal ambassadors of any police department. In fact they are the rejects of the department and their attitude reflects this. To be honest with you, real police officers (patrolmen) refer to traffic cops as the department's rejects, department doughboys (too fat for foot pursuits), AAA (triple A) with a gun, traffic-meter-maids, etc…

Ask a traffic cop for his honest opinion of women being police officers and they will laugh and reference physical limitations. Of course as that traffic cop laughs his fat jelly belly with be jiggling and wiggling. He has no ambition in life and fears everything. In his civilian clothes he walks in fear knowing his shield in his back pocket really has no magical powers.

An interesting stat shows that men out number women in traffic divisions. Meaning, women are more likely to do patrol work then are men. So, current female officers are more manly then these feminine traffic cops. The traffic cops were probably raised by a single mom who was very lonely and overly protective. This would prevent the young male from maturing into a man. This may be what keeps traffic cops harassing soccer moms in minivans while leaving the large low-rider Cadillacs to the patrol men and patrol women to pull over.

Holy Cow! Incidentally, SCV has several Traffic cars equipped with cameras. Blood books - huh?
Were you with KindDriver in the courtroom?
Based on the last comments provided by Independence (whom I suppose must be a psychologist), I've decided that I can't in good conscience continue discussing this subject. It appears this particular forum has become infested with uneducated and insulting comments thrown indiscriminately at those who should be regarded with more respect.
When we can talk "intelligently", then I'll be back.

My friend AverageCivillian. Oh how you make me laugh. Where did Independence insult you? He was merely responding to the blog, and you have decided to cast a stone and call him and everyone else here "UNEDUCATED". Your love for the badge is amazing! You should run for office and change things for the better, since you have all the EDUCATED answers.

Hmmmm, what part of the stop sign didn't you understand? I happen to live near those intersections and I for one am glad the cops are there semi-regularly to go after the sign runners. I have seen people blow through the one at Gilbert at full speed; not the slightest slow-down, even though the stop is very clearly marked. Whenever I ride my bike or walk my dog across that intersection I always wonder if that on-coming car will stop. It's a bad one. Your explaination of what happened is vague and rambling. Frankly you sound like a guilty person trying hard to prove your innocence. If that's the one you presented in court I don't wonder why you lost your appeal.(By the way, the street is pretty straight for the 1/3 mile from Whippoorwill to Gilbert where all but one of the cul-de-sacs are. If the offending car HAD turned into one of them he would have been able to see it.) Learn from it and move on with your life.

Citizenscv, AverageCivilian didn't appear to be personally insulted and didn't say Independance was uneducated. AverageCivilian said the comments were uneducated and insulting, which they are. Lets take a look:

"Gomez was just being the scared officer he is."
How does he/she know this? What is his/her basis for this "fact"? Independance knows the officer personally? Does he/she have an advanced degree in psychology? (For convenience I'll asssume from here on that Independance is a he,which I suspect based on other comments he made.)

"Every honest patrol officer will tell you..."
So, only dishonest patrol officers will disagree? Or is it that every officer that disagrees with Independance is dishonest? Catch the subtle difference?

"In fact they are the rejects of the department..."
What is the basis of this "fact"? Who did the study? Survey? Footnotes please.

"To be honest with you, real police officers (patrolmen) refer to traffic cops as the department's rejects..."
Well, we really need the honesty alright, but again, where does this "fact" come from? How many patrol officers has Independance spoken with to come up with this bit of information? Or is this just his own opinion? Substance please.

"Of course as that traffic cop laughs his fat jelly belly with be jiggling and wiggling."
Well, if that isn't an prejudiced and emotionally charged stereotype, I've never seen one.

"He has no ambition in life and fears everything."
Since Independance is, by context referring to every Traffic Officer this statement is, I believe the term in logic is Overgeneralization. Here's a good definition: "The strength of this cognitive distortion accounts for the prevalence of stereotyping in much of our thinking about other people." See http://daphne.palomar.edu/jtagg/overgene...

This is a little long so I'll continue later.

To continue:

"In his civilian clothes he walks in fear knowing his shield in his back pocket really has no magical powers."
This is an amazing feat of mind reading.

"An interesting stat shows that men out number women in traffic divisions."
I tend to believe that same source would show the same ratio in all other divisions. Common also observation seems to bear this out. And his point is?

"Meaning, women are more likely to do patrol work then are men."
Oh, that's his point! Umm, that doesn't necessarily follow. If, in fact men do outnumber women in the traffic division, that doesn't establish that women outnumber men in the patrol division. This is a little like saying, "The sky is blue, therefore I will be a wealthy man by tomorrow". They don't have any established connection.

"The traffic cops were probably raised by a single mom who was very lonely and overly protective. This would prevent the young male from maturing into a man."
An amazing Freudian conclusion! Not to mention Misogynistic (This is why I suspect Independence is a he, and I'll let you look that one up yourself and determine how it really does fit) and insulting to single moms and sons raised by them everywhere. I could be wrong, but this sounds very much like a psychological Phenomenon called projection, "...a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings—basically parts of oneself—onto someone else." See http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Project...

Maybe this is why AverageCitizen decided to bow out of the conversation.

And by the way, I'm not a cop. I'm an industrial equipment salesman.

I will not address the questions of my experiences or of me because I am not the subject of this blog. Actually, such questions show a lack of formal training in logic and rhetoric. Let me show you:
If I was to read out loud from a book that I believed was fiction but it was in fact non-fiction does the book become untrue? Disregard the messenger - review the facts. Your blog references questions of me – stay focused. Enough of that.

Has Professor Ward Churchill ever applied your same community college training in logic and been WRONG? Unfortunately NO. He justified the 9/11 attack by citing US policies in the Middle East, and referenced the historic Crusades against Islam. He stated further that because the World Trade Center aids the financing of US policy in the Middle East the Islamic attack on the World Trade Center was an act of self-defense. How can you use rhetoric to prove him wrong? You cannot and that is what is so “wonderful about rhetoric.

Playing by the same rules of the Great Sophists, Ward Churchill has always been right. He could not be wrong if what he said was only viewed with the same rules of rhetoric you used herein. Most oral arguments are subjective – as is this one. It is not an exact science. That is why some times the guilty go free. It is not an exact science as is mathematics. Just ask Obama and McCain. They both are looking at the same problems and see the solution so very differently. They could blog each other into the next millennium and never agree. Is either person wrong? Maybe not, because there often is more then just one solution to a problem. Pick either suggestion and you could solve the problem.

If the facts are against your case argue the law – this will distract the jury from the facts. If the law is against you argue the facts – this will distract the jury from the law.

I too believe that the Rainbow Glen/Gilbert intersection is too often abused and should be patrolled, because of all the wonderful families walking their dog and children there. But, why are civilians only being ticketed? You will have to reach real deep to justify that. Often SCV deputies are only writing tickets at the other locations listed (prior blog) where there is no dangers or previous accidents. They are only citing the downhill traffic with no cross traffic. This comes down to Spirit of the Law and Letter of the law. But, that subject is way beyond the scope of this blog.

I am not going to go into breaking down the elements of each of your prima-facie cases. That too is way beyond the scope of this blog. The foundation required to have that discussion would be too involved.

As I leave this blog and reflex of your comments it reminds me of a story: A math teacher was asked “what is 2+2. He said 4. An accountant, a school teacher, and a bus driver were all asked the same and all replied with “2+2 is 4. An attorney was asked what is 2+2. He leaned into his client and whispered into his ear “what do you want 2+2 to be? You see it is all subjective and you see only what you want to see – or allowed to see. Give it some research and then some thought. If after many hours over many days and weeks you still have the same conclusion and do not appreciate conclusions of others, then you should ask yourself if you have grown at all from the experience.

You see, with words and stats alone an innocent man can be found guilty. It is easy to lie with statistics and make everyone happy with words. “Just tell them what they want to hear and they will love you." We have to look outside our prejudices and fears to see the world for what it really is. I will let the facts you find and the blogs of others contained herein support my position.

Lets not reason in a box. It causes people like Professor Ward Churchill to have a huge following. He is an idiot and a hater. But you will never be able to prove him wrong with rhetoric alone.

A whole lotta words, not much sense.

6boydad, thank you for your defense, though not necessary. I am pleased that other readers understand that which I was trying to impart to the other bloggers. KindDriver received a ticket, had a day in court, and lost. Pay fine...move on.
Now it becomes a forum to ridicule and insult law enforcement based on "perceptions" and, apparently, personal experiences regardless of facts. Although many comments and statistics have been represented as facts - which in my opinion are without true merit.
Let's not forget those of law enforcement that have paid the ultimate price...Dep. Jake Kuredjian (60M2) and Dep. David March. Both SCV residents and in the LASD. They represent those in local law enforcement...even the Traffic Division. To spuriously cast aspersions as has been done in this blog is absolutely reprehensible. Again...thank you 6boydad - you obviously "get it".

As I mentioned in a prior blog, telling the truth is only telling the truth. And I think that is all I have done. Anyone can start a blog on anything and report the truth. The truth is only the truth. Only those who did what is being blogged about should be blamed for the blog. Such truths often inflict anger and out outrage by those who are the subjects of the truths being told. This is for obvious reasons. China's government has had such reactions to stories that have been told of them. And this reaction is common among all totalitarian regimes.

I can blog truths about the KKK, Hamas, al-Jihad, Abu Sayyaf or Jemaah Islamiah and have noting nice to say about any of them. From me telling truths about these organizations can you tell if I support them or do not support them?

I do support all law enforcement. But I am not impressed with the SCV deputies. That being said, these last 2 or 3 months have been a great improvement on their performance. This could be due to active leadership, the retirement of a rogue traffic deputy last month (maybe it was July) or a combination thereof. I hope they keep it up.

Just about everyone has hired a professional journeyman of one type or another and had both good and bad experience. The actual outcome of the experience is not because the profession it self is incompetent, but because there are good and bad craftsmen in every licensed profession. Unfortunately, law enforcement is no exception. This is not my opinion, but rather a fact. All my prior bogs specifically mention almost one half of all law enforcement departments in LA and Ventura County. I specifically mentioned how professional and well trained they are. I also mentioned the high level of professionalism in all the Antelope Valley stations and the Lost Hills Station. I did not mention the LASD bull dogs previously, but I can honestly that say they are outstanding and we in LA County are blessed to have them.

Captain LeBerge definitely is a credit to the uniform and highly regarded and respected by many in the LASD and SCV. He cares about SCV and it's people.
Incidentally, during his twenty-plus years in the LASD, that "rogue traffic deputy" you mention is responsible for saving a lot of lives. Personally, I wish he was back - I see a lot of reckless driving in SCV these days, and particularly, a lot of speeding up and down Sierra Highway.

Recently I got 2 speeding tickets one I deserved and one I didn't. The one officer that gave me the ticket that I didn't deserve I have seen all over Santa Clarita giving tickets to other people who didn't desrve it as well. He did not use the radar gun several times that I saw. Both my husband and I told him I was not speeding but he insisted and I told him he is getting quite a reputation out here and he got in his car and guffawed. Very professional! My house and cars have both been burglarized and several in the area and I have not experienced them doing anything. It took them 4 days later to get a fingerprint person out after I filed a report and several calls to the fingerprint place and no call back they never ran the prints. I did get cited by the city though for having "junk" in my front yard which was wood that we just brought home for a camping trip that was gone before the letter to clean it up even got to me. But hey lets focus on that instead of the real crimes in this city. I would love to defend the police out here but give me a reason because I can give you 20 that begs to differ on that.

Justme...you were there for the "several times" that particular deputy cited someone - how fortunate and coincidental. Also, just because you haven't "experienced them doing anything", doesn't mean something didn't happen.
Your lawn was cited by the City of Santa Clarita I assume. The City and the Sheriff's department are separate entities.

"Real crimes in the city" - here is a link that will show you exactly what the Deputies of SCV contend with on a week to week basis by looking at the real statistics: http://www.scvsheriff.com/incidentsummar......
Remember they patrol and serve 52 sq.mi of SCV City and 596 sq. mi of unincorporated area surrounding SCV.

For more SCV LASD information visit: http://www.scvsheriff.com/

>I'm done with this blog.

Its not a fortunate coincidance, he was parked right by where I drop my kids off to school. He sits on a street on Soledad where I drive by and I know of 6 people who have been cited by him. I have dealt with the man when the neighbors house got busted in by teen agers and a couple other incidents. If you would like me to list them all and in detail I can. They like to not make reports out so our city looks better than it is. There are homeless all over Canyon Country and drugs all over. The kids call Canyon high, "stoner high" for a reason.
No I didn't get cited for my lawn. I take care of my yard and house.Althogh they did say my trash cans were to close to the street but drive around and look at all the others. The city and the sherrifs may be differant but lets take care of what needs to be taken care of around here and not put on rose colored glasses. I have lived in this city for 16 years and have seen it progressivly get worse. Oh I can go into the gangs as well if you like. I am sure they are doing some work but they can do better.

JustMe you obviously "get it." I have been pulled over throughout LA and Ventura County as well as in other states such as Texas, Virginia, Kentucky, Utah, and Georgia. Every incident – I say again, every incident - was conducted professionally. And I have been challenged by police officers in other countries as well, such a UK, France and Turkey. I can honestly say that from the LAPD stops to the Turkish police stops (in Turkey it was their version of MPs) the officers conducted themselves professionally and were excellent ambassadors of their department. They operated at a professional level that seems to be beyond the reach of the SCV station. Again, you can read this on this blog and many others throughout the internet and find example after example of lazy juvenile delinquent behavior by the SCV deputies. Again I say this limiting it to the SCV station, because the Antelope Valley deputies and Lost Hills deputies are awesome.

Hey Tomato. I was not there but I believe every word. Why? Because, SCV deputies only know how to behave as juveniles. It is just tolerated and that is that. Regarding the race issue, no you were not target for your race. Those days are gone – for the most part.

You were pulled over for the same reason all races get pulled over - because you were in violation of the Vehicle Code. But that is not why you were cited. You were ticketed because you are a citizen rather then a police officer. In this budget strapped economy citizens in California have to rise up to the challenge and contribute more to the current budget crises then law enforcement personnel. However, they seek the rewards of our labor.

They get the free lunches, ride the car pool lanes illegally (for free), they never pay a traffic ticket (including but not limited to DUIs), and the list goes on.

California is a socialist society. That being true, those in government get the free ride, while law enforcement gets the easiest free ride. The citizens loose their homes to this recession while law enforcement personnel do over time at their leisure. They do not have to earn a promotion to get a raise. They just have to put in more OT.

Ask an officers if this a fair and they will say "everyone get a break somewhere in life. You might know a mechanic who can fix your car below market cost. Is that fair to the rest of us?"

It is not a reflection of police officers, but rather is a reflection of a system lacking oversight.

Check out Tomato's blog telling the same story as those herein.
http://community.the-signal.com/blogs/de...